Please please please please PLEASE!!!

No offense intended to the UI designers, but PLEASE give us back the undock button on the Neocom by the clock. I just know I'm gonna be in a tense situation sometime and have no sodding clue how to get my ship out of the station.

i think you missing the point that the dev post stated we would be compensated
not gimped and set back

In the notes you said "Removed all NPCGÇÖs from Hacking and Archaeology sites, with the exception of Wormhole sites"
well this isn't true, I find my first data site and attempt too hack. This fails and 3 rats spawn, warp scramble me and them destroy my cheetah. I'm disappointed.

Can we get CCP confirmation that everything is working as intended in regards to being able to fly what we could fly previously even though we may no longer meet the new requirements on the list ?

ROLL...THE PATCH...BACK. Now would be preferable. Been waiting so damn long to fly my rorq and carriers to find this mess. fix it.

Edit: Now I am able to fly ships that I dont have the prereqs for. Is this just a bad, buggy update?

While that may be true, he still can use it. He can never get better at it untill he learns all the extra crap that CCP has added

So after reading some of the other posts I supposedly can still fly command ships with all my toons that could fly them before the patch but the prereq skills aren't there...ok not sure why you just didn't give them the skills required.

sitting there playing that boring game over and over is one of the dumbest thing you guys have ever come up with.

You sneaky devils CCP.

You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Someone sneaked in a fix to make it possible to shrink the text input part of a chat window down to one line properly. Previously you were always forced to have padding at the top and bottom, messing with my zen. No mention of it in the patch notes either.
Whoever it was, I <3 you.

User Interface

GÇóThe chat entry box can now be reduced to the height of a single line.

This is a feedback thread not a psychology thread.

How about explaining why its a good idea to move the undock button if thats how you feel instead of commenting on others feedback?

I suppose it's a matter of opinion, but still, I'd like to hear the rationalization for why having the CQ button, which takes you out of your ship, pointing directly towards the ship makes any kind of sense? And especially now that traffic in the hangar exit is visible, why is having the undock button point away from the hanger exit the proper orientation?

Its orientation is also exactly right - the screen shows your ship in the hangar and the chevrons on the button point outwards towards space, while those on the CQ button point inwards.

Sorry, but the screen doesn't show the station; it shows just the station's hangar, the ship, and the exit. You are essentially viewing the hangar from a window in the station. The rest of the station, including the captain's quarters, is what is outside your field of view, not open space. Again, I realize this is perspective and a matter of opinion, but to me, the arrangement of the arrows is just backwards. Why would you have the button to leave pointing away from the visible exit?

Most of all pilots have the chat on upper left corner from Eve window,and most time the mouse pointer sitting on this position

I am going to give my feedback.

Compared to many and possibly most of the players who come here i am probably a noob, but i play EVE for 2 years and a half and i consider that quite some time.
My main activity is Exploration.
I have three accounts and i have invested much time ( and lets face it, money ) in this game and community because i truely enjoyed it... untill now.

What do i think of this patch? I have no words.
I am seriously considering dropping my subscriptions. Its not a rage quit, its simply not enjoying the game anymore.
And i will explain why.

There are many things that can be done in EVE, the way we are will influence the path we choose in EVE.

Only a small group chooses exploration and there is a reason for that.

This patch takes all the reasons away. The miners and ratters and mission runners will become "explorers" and the real explorers will find another way to enjoy the game... or quit.

Seriously, you should not change exploration so much without consulting explorers... but i guess you went to consult who is not an explorer...
So now you have a semi-automatic system to scan.... i hate it...
I have my own techniques... in a bit over two years i have over 400 units of overseer personal effects from 3/10 complexes and over 300 from 4/10 complexes.
I am an explorer or was untill now.

I have my own techniques, and those techniques i developed with experience and effort, those give me an advantage.
I enter a system and i dont know if there is anything good in it.
I start probing, its a hit and miss, the thrill of finding or not. the run to find it before others come in and find it as well.

Now?
Now you enter the system and see everything, you even see where the signature is located within the system before launching one probe.
awesome!!! thats how easy it gets now!
What about the probes?
Semi-automatic, press launch, they all go out and get linked! awesome!!!

so what makes the difference now? just skills, just put some days on the side to train some skills and you are good to go.

Now mission runners can do exploration afkish as they do with the missions...

It never ocurred to you that real explorers actually like to move the probes manually? that they actually enjoy the fact that its hard? and feel more rewarded from finding something that its hard to find?
Did you ask any explorer who has ran over 700 scanned complexes in two years if he wanted the probes to be released that way? and to be linked? and everythign else?

For me, the game is ruined, but i guess thats alright, i only have three accounts... those can be replaced with three new players...

For the record, i am not one of those guys who always come here complain, quite the opposite, i have never complained about any patch. If there is a bug i report and thats it.

Now?... now i hardly log into EVE... i have a few more days untill my subscriptions expire but really... i find no reasons to log.

Best wishes to everyone.

Fon

Overall all looks great and I am trying the exploration career, however there is something I do not understand:

- The Training Container is never found in any of the data sites I have explored. Is this an overview configuration issue or something else? I see a lot of proofs of discovery available for sale on the market, so it must be that someone manages to retrieve them before me. Just pointing out that something could be broken or that the system is being exploited. In fact I can't complete the agent mission unless I purchase the proof of discovery from the market.

I like your sarcasm, since along with your other posting about the new probing system you bring up a topic that might otherwise be easily overseen. I'm talking about what is one of the strengths of Eve, its ability to provide special niches for different types of players. This post will also be my feedback to the changed exploring mechanics in Odyssey.

Looking back at the old exploring game, it was mostly a game of patience. It took a lot of patience to learn how to use and how to efficiently handle the complicated probing interface. Additionally the probing itself took some patience since it was a rather time consuming activity as well and you didn't even know beforehand if there were interesting sites in a system. Depending on what sites you probed for you had to clear the more or less challenging NPC's guarding the data and relic containers or rush through the combat sites to get to the final room before anyone else finds the site either to compete with you (high sec) or to shoot you (lower sec). After that the sites were finally done and you had only to open the loot containers and get your chance-based reward. And of course better didn't forget your probes when leaving system :)

The new exploring is completely different, it is now a game for the impatient. The sites are instantly visible as soon as you enter a system and the list gets updated automatically. With their position being known and the new probe launching mechanics they are a lot faster to scan. Combat sites didn't changed besides the fact that you are forced to rush even more through the sites because of more competition. Data and relic sites now don't have any NPC's in them, instead they are defended by a chance based mini game that has to be beaten through excessive clicking to get to the actual looting. The looting itself has become another mini game where you have to hover your mouse over tiny loot containers to get their description, click on the right ones to get them to your cargo and hope you don't miss any important ones before they all vanish. By the way, don't mind about your probes, they magically return to your cargo when leaving the system.

In summary, for the old exploring game you needed a lot of patience for the probing, had to be able to do some PvE combat and got rewarded. As for the new exploring, patience as requirement is gone, data and relic sites now instead require the ability to click through a promising looking but actually mindless mini game, after that have very good reactions and mouse clicking skills or a good portion of frustration tolerance when you somehow missed the best loot and it blows up in space.

Considering the fact that Eve encourages players to find their niche in the game, the former explorers most probably now have lost theirs and have to either find a new niche that rewards their patience, change their playstyle or just quit the game. If exploring stays the same as it is now, they will eventually get replaced by a new kind of explorer who wants instant success and doesn't mind about senseless clicking because it's a good warm-up for the following action game that he likes most about exploring.

Anytime when a change in Eve hits there seem to be some people complaining in the forums that CCP ruined their playstyle, even if it's only a change to a specific ship. In such cases I don't really see why players aren't able to get into a different ship if that suits their playstyle better. In the case of the changes to the exploring mechanics complaining about the ruination of a playstyle seems a lot more legitimate, for the above reasons.

New Jump Effect:

it's a small thing but immersion breaking IMHO, every time I jump the tunnel is blue, even when the environment in the origin system and destination system are both greenish/golden, why is the tunnel blue? it just doesn't fit!

I know it's easier said than dont, but as I said, this is immersion breaking. Please try to make it so that it takes the colors of the origin and destination into account. the best would be if the beginning of the tunnel takes the colors of the origin and transitions into the colors of the destination!

As an exploration focused player, i have to say I was a bit confused, that the exploration focused expension took out all the exploration bits of the game.

Clicking stupid panels all day long to click after containers flying into space, feels not very exploration like to me.
Instantlly seeing whats in a system before even starting the exploring bit, feels not very exploration like to me.
Getting some disfunctional launcher taking away the loginscreen, and addin no functionality at all (Single sign on the one thing we got this for is still not working), does not feel very exploration like to me.

The new scan interface, feels ok, the implementation of cause is a not, but thats what ccp quality stands for.

Why do my probes have travel time while scanning, but get back instantly otherwise? Space-magic?

Why do I have to relog every 3rd system because the ******* scan interface is not working at all anymore?

So to sum this up, yes you implemented autoformations for probes, the one good thing in this expansion. The rest, well lets say, next time a game desinger comes up with a plan for improving exploration by removing exploration, just dont listen to him.

My sub expired a few days ago and ordinarily I would have renewed for a year but because of Odyssey and the new launcher fiasco (can't install on my system and the Devs appear to have given up trying to fix it) I've only done it for one more month so I can see how things develop.

I think that the projection of exploration sites on the sky is a brilliant idea.

It doesn't really make exploration easier, it doesn't make less interesting it just makes it quicker.

Their combat ability has also been directed at drones instead of weak weapon bonuses. We've designed them to be able to kill the rats in highsec mini-profession sites, although a combat frig will clear them faster.

Why can't you allow the user to set a zoom distance and store that value as the default? Since max zoom in shows even the rivets in high detail, let's say 5%, so all ships display at 5% of whatever their max zoom is. Or, if you like looking at the rivets, set it to 100%. Between those two extremes, most people will find the zoom they like. Also, this would let you zoom to a user set value after a camera reset.

I can't understand a change of undock location

I just want way smaller buttons so they don't eat up so much screen space. The whole UI takes up far too much space IMO. Some windows cannot be resied (like Industry/Jobs. EVery window should be customizable. Guess it'll never happen.

Do you have a direct link to this survey? (could be a few days before I can get on a PC with the launcher installed~)

I agree that they system used isn't exactly ideal, but I tried to make up for that by taking advantage of the comment sections. As I recall, there were sections for features you liked, features you disliked, and one section at the end for anything else you wanted to say.

If you don't want to take the time to fill out the comments, I'm sure you can find a few ideas in this thread to cut and paste.

done.

fix jump animations are my biggest negs.